20.15 is too early. Let's play at 21.45

Non of our players can play that late. So I or Kami will meet u guys on irc later.

It is USELESS that you reschedule the match at the SAME date & time we REFUSED!
So, if u want, suggest AN OTHER DATE and time.
20.15 is diner time for us.
Nobody of us will be available before 21.00, 21.15.
If not we could TRY to play before dinner, at 18.30

and BTW you wrote your comment at 00.15, not at 20.15, so I guess that 21.45 it is not so late...

OMG!
I explained why we CAN'T before 21.00 and you put 20.30...
Why do YOU can't at 21.00?

i rescheduled to 8.30 pm which is only 30 minutes before your time ? i think 8.30 we can probably do. and we cant do it beauce in some peoples places its already 10pm when it 9pm your time and there is school, university and work understable ai? but 10pm kidding me ? we usually play on the weekend but as you said yo have no time we said ok we play you in the week. so we made a move you can do one too plz

btw. 10pm in my oppinion is an impentinence when we already say ok you cant play on the weekend not even friday so we move it during the week. i feel like you should be ashamed... cause you have such a huge pool of players who all eat at 8 come on?

Our huge pool is just on the paper. We are 6 or 7 really active.
We moved from 21.45 to 21.00, and as I told you on irc, we will try to move at 20.30. If it was not possible because of players shortage, we will play on Sunday at 22.00 as default. it is better play on Sunday than have a noshow loss.

bb.

Lebbra the comments are from a time before we talked on irc

Internal pool:
Gio 16 h 20:30
4 (30.8%)
Ven 17 h 20:30
4 (30.8%)
Dom 19 h. 22.00
5 (38.5%)
as you can see we don't have enough player at 20.30. Sorry

gg all

GG. Each team owned his map.

hmm fail:

There will be no substitutes in the server, under any circumstances (that means not even if the teams agree). The penalty for playing with substitutes present is forfeit loss (in case both teams have substitutes, double forfeit).

Read the rules, i just copied this part out of them.

Rules:
www.urban-zone.org/ind...t=21#Rules

wow, really nice of you LtD team!!
We played 10 min out of 40 with a sub only because you were left in 4 players and we decided to play 4 vs 4 for fair play of course.

Moreover right after the match you came here writing about the rules, while you said nothing when the player subbed during the game... that seems to me s subtle behavior.

Oh by the way, since you care so much about respecting all the rules, you have to upload ALL your demos of both maps, as the rules say.

Actually this wasn't planned I noticed that you had one sub after I started checking screens.

And yes we'll upload the demos of course.

''DO NOT FORGET TO READ THE RULES. There have been no significant changes but not knowing the rules is not an acceptable excuse'' Just like it says on front page.
So please stop raging to us about that, it ain't my fault that you weren't aware that you are not allowed to have sub.

I am not raging to anyone. I really do not care if we will loose the match. Indeed my teammates did the error, so we have nothing to say if the referee wants to apply the rules word by word.

I was just saying that it was not nice of you. From our behavior you can understand that we actually do not care about winning at all costs and by all means. This is why we played 4 vs 4 instead of 5 vs 4. Since we subbed to make you a favour, we subbed for fairplay, I was not expecting you to point out our error.
I just think it is not a fair behavior and I wanted to let you know.

So we can stop right now this little flame.

The referee shall decide, indeed we did subbed.

Indeed it was an act of fairplay, but as the rules state, no substitutes are allowed under any circumstances. Independently of lacks of fairplay or not it's not LtD's problem about the fact that you had a substitute on. If you look at GTV matches for example when they want to substitute players 1 of them always leaves and he doesn't sub. I honestly hope you lose the match forfeit because you lacked knowledge of the rules and substituted EVEN THOUGH it was for fair play the rules state it is not tolerated which means the correct move for that would have been that substitute player leaving the server and not subbing. This is my opinion. You did wrong you pay for it and I hope argument is over here as it's obvious you commited a mistake.

I do appreciate that made that one guy sub, it would have been just hell to play 5o4 in that map. Thank you for being so willing to show fairplay.

it's obvious that we made a mistake (just to know, i didn't play this match) and you have ALL the rights to ask to win the match.
on the other hand it's also obvious that you totally miss any spirit of the game... I hope you agree with that!
btw, still waiting for demos.

oh, yeah, we really appreciate that you appreciate our fairplay... you know... it's nice to play against fair team...

Nice one Simbo and $ot. I'm waiting for your demos.

Both of us has given our demos Aqvila. And demos of gunner and florin will be given at least tomorrow when they hopefully come online. End of this discussion bb

As someone told before, we played 2nd map 4v4 as an act of fairplay.
Our 5th remained as sub, waiting for your 5th player was back again. Btw nobody of you asked us for kick the sub out...

Yes, we know the rules and if you want you can ask a forfait win.

In order to avoid a lot of useless answer, please let your team leader Kami to give us his final decision.

In any case please post ALL the demo before asking for a win.

OMG You should thank your opponent for his wonderful behavior that's rare to see around. How you thank them? accusing of misconduct and breaking rules? That's a shame.

- "Lebbra"

As someone told before, we played 2nd map 4v4 as an act of fairplay.
Our 5th remained as sub, waiting for your 5th player was back again. Btw nobody of you asked us for kick the sub out...

Yes, we know the rules and if you want you can ask a forfait win.

In order to avoid a lot of useless answer, please let your team leader Kami to give us his final decision.

Kami is one week off sorry. Will be back on Monday I suppose.

And please, that wasn't planned just noticed that after the game like I said.

And well what are you expecting me to do? You played against the rules yeah true, but that already happened I can't get back on time and say that you should remove that player from server.

It's up to admin now, this conservation doesn't lead anywhere.

i hope this conversation leads you to understand that what u did here is sick, really sick...
ok, rules are rules, but i believe that good sense, intelligence and respect should be on a higher level!
this is not ur point of view, i guess, so just win this game in your way....

I won't play with such unfair guys. I hope teams like your are rare.
You win only thanks to a quibble, but the second map was our by score.

We are fair and square. That's the only important thing for us (not for you, as I see).

- "Lebbra"

As someone told before, we played 2nd map 4v4 as an act of fairplay.
Our 5th remained as sub, waiting for your 5th player was back again. Btw nobody of you asked us for kick the sub out...

Yes, we know the rules and if you want you can ask a forfait win.

In order to avoid a lot of useless answer, please let your team leader Kami to give us his final decision.

In any case please post ALL the demo before asking for a win.

Nobody has to remind you of the rules in order for you to find them. Just for that argument I really hope the admins take the final decision as a forfeit loss. It's not up to me, but I think you're overrating your "fairplay". 70 or 80% of the teams would do the same thing as you. Don't overrate a thing that EVERYONE should do. It's nothing to be proud of, it's just something to keep it fair. Don't shove it in everyone's faces as you did it with fairplay, because it's not LtD's problem you made that mistake. Thus you should stop acting like kids and stop throwing it on people's faces trying to save the 3 points which obviously you do not deserve them.

u guys are really sad...
bb

- "hazmat"

Nobody has to remind you of the rules in order for you to find them. Just for that argument I really hope the admins take the final decision as a forfeit loss. It's not up to me, but I think you're overrating your "fairplay". 70 or 80% of the teams would do the same thing as you. Don't overrate a thing that EVERYONE should do. It's nothing to be proud of, it's just something to keep it fair. Don't shove it in everyone's faces as you did it with fairplay, because it's not LtD's problem you made that mistake. Thus you should stop acting like kids and stop throwing it on people's faces trying to save the 3 points which obviously you do not deserve them.

you act like you are playing champion's league. so sad man. i detect 15 years old.

Nice fairplay!

Forfait win's hunters are everywhere nowadays.

Bw broke the rules while attempting to show some fairplay, which is something rare. But we know every behavior has its opposite and asking for a forfait win is opposite to fair play.

You should be thankfull, really sad.
I know bw won't change their fair behaviors couse of this war. That's why they'll win the sportmanship award, again.

I'm sure admins will judge this war with common sense.
Ok rules are rules... But still. Welldone bw.

Only won logical solution: replay the whole match. Subs are not allowed you should now the rules.

But really LtD you are the really sad, they wanted to play fair and you are hunting them down for that. You should have settled and let them win their own map without the whole big whine in here.

You made yourself number 1 candidate for a nice Golden Dildo award.

It is a sad day for the entire UrT community when a team is punished for their willingness to play fair and showing sportsmanship toward the opposite team.

On the other hand, rules are rules and needs to be treated as such.

I wholeheartedly agree with Gnurkus, the only logical and honorable solution for both teams is to replay the match.

k at first dont accuse the whole Ltd team, i posted the comment so im the only culprit.

And i really respect you bw for your fairplay, believe me. I did this because i think an admin would have recogniced this anyway

Oh come on...

- "Simbo"

k at first dont accuse the whole Ltd team, i posted the comment so im the only culprit.

And i really respect you bw for your fairplay, believe me. I did this because i think an admin would have recogniced this anyway

so sad...

I thanks everybody for their points of view, but I would like that this issue will be resolved by the two teamleaders and the referee.

We do not want these three point so much to replay the match once again.

LtD has the right to ask for a forfait loss, common sense say that the 1-1 result should be accepted by LtD.

I just would like to wait for LtD cleanleader (Kami) decision: if he ask for a forfait loss we accept his decision.
That's all.

Lebbra Kami is off for week so, Would rematch be acceptable for your team?

We ( Or at least me) were idiots so I suppose just asking that possibility is smallest what we can ask for.

And no we ain't looking for forfeit loss points. 1-1 or rematch.

Apologies for anyone that we've treated wrong.

- "Gnurkus"

Only won logical solution: replay the whole match. Subs are not allowed you should now the rules.

But really LtD you are the really sad, they wanted to play fair and you are hunting them down for that. You should have settled and let them win their own map without the whole big whine in here.

You made yourself number 1 candidate for a nice Golden Dildo award.

This is completely and utterly noncence. Gnurkus if I recall you're an Urban Zone staff member, whom is not following the rules. Stepping up for 1 side while both are simmultaniously acting wrong is really bad. I guess your approach to truth needs a little work there Gnurkus. I expected more from a uz admin. The rules state what they state.

- "Aqvila"

- "hazmat"

Nobody has to remind you of the rules in order for you to find them. Just for that argument I really hope the admins take the final decision as a forfeit loss. It's not up to me, but I think you're overrating your "fairplay". 70 or 80% of the teams would do the same thing as you. Don't overrate a thing that EVERYONE should do. It's nothing to be proud of, it's just something to keep it fair. Don't shove it in everyone's faces as you did it with fairplay, because it's not LtD's problem you made that mistake. Thus you should stop acting like kids and stop throwing it on people's faces trying to save the 3 points which obviously you do not deserve them.

you act like you are playing champion's league. so sad man. i detect 15 years old.

Such a typical comment from a butthurt kid.

- "hazmat"

This is completely and utterly noncence. Gnurkus if I recall you're an Urban Zone staff member, whom is not following the rules. Stepping up for 1 side while both are simmultaniously acting wrong is really bad. I guess your approach to truth needs a little work there Gnurkus. I expected more from a uz admin. The rules state what they state.

And I(i think I can say also WE) expected more from players and persons.
Btw this behavior is just ridicoulus and totally unfair, win the game, not the rules.

$.0.T,
thanks for your offer to replay the match, but I guess it is not the best solution for a couple of reasons:

1- It was not easy for Kami and I to schedule a date/time and finally we fall on default time. The problem is that next weeks, at default time we probably have new matches
2- Basing on previous scores it is 99% sure that LtD will win on Casa and bw| win on Docks again.

So please do not hesitate to get your choice between 3 or 5 points, for us it is not a question of ranking: we are now in 8th div but our right place is probably in 10 or 11th div.
I'm just sorry that a very fun match has been spoiled by someone's unfair after-match behaviour.

GL&HF.

Sooo... First off all it's so hard to read through this hole conversation. However I have been reading closely and carefully to get a general picture of what this is all about. Yes, Lebbra you are stating I should take a decision what I can understand. But how should I do now? It is already reported and the match is Conflict till an admin takes the decision.

Besides I totally agree with you that you did the substitution in an act of fairplay and I appreciate that. Now you are all talking about common sense?!?! Common sense on such a strict rule is not possible to use. Cause as I said it was an act of fairplay and I agree to the substitution. But however now the rule says even if both teams agree it is forfeit.

I see all pros and cons of this ok the report looks unfair but its also just something that got stated. I do agree but if the admins know their rules and did their homework they should've found out anyway and used the rule as a refree in every type of game would've needed to do. Anyway I recommend to the admins that to validate the match as a draw as it was due to good sportsmanship.

Also I like the idea of a rematch to get rid of all this discussion that started here. But as you said it was hard for us to schedule so it would be hard to rematch but possible. The result might be the same or not. No one knows.

So as $.0.T already did I will offer a rematch even if its is hard to schedule or it should be 1-1 from my point of view.

Greets from my holiday.

Kami

Like I said before: replay the match. It's not going to be 1-1. We don't allow subs at any moment, also not if it's done out of the right reasons (like this case).

please reschedule and play again.

Gnurk

OK, we will try to found a date.
Kami, to avoid any confusion with previous match, could you clean the fixture from demo and screens please?

Haha Great rematch Thx for the game, Docks was bit slow but still nice game

gg nice docks gaming xD

GG

Ty and GG =)