As EuroCup has priority, I don't see any possible way this match can be played this weekend, unless b00bs can play at 1pm CET on saturday or sunday.

Well, we can't play at 13h.

We can at normal times for euro matches, and with some good scheduling on somewhat mutually acceptable times.

This week we are available:
Friday night.
Sunday from 19h CET. (possibly little sooner also)

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Please talk to me before anyone enters a result here.

Match was scheduled to 23h.
Tohunga and Kingdom were played, ended up in tie.
Third map was chosen to be Abbey.

Shans didn't wanted to play it on our server.
Few relevant quotes
Shans> we will play the uz final when we have an admin to confirm server related issues
The-spik> when do you expect to see uz admin to confirm your doubts?
The-spik> in 1,2 hours from now? it's 1 am already in europe
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The-spik> your map - opponent server
The-spik> that's how it always works in all leagues
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The-spik> uz ts has to be finished tonight. we can't leave it to next week

Shans> give me a quote from the rukes
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The-spik> the team that got more rounds has the opportunity to get their map as "advantage"
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The-spik> All league matches must be played in European (that includes Turkish servers), US or Moscow (Russia) servers.
The-spik> EUROPEAN, US or RUSSIAN. neither covers AUSTRALIAN

2 hours and 30 minutes past match start I didn't wanted to waste any more time. Within that time both matches should be already over and not in state to have only 60% of the first match done.

He didn't wanted to come and play third map for UZ, so they get ffl for that.
I forfeited our match in CB against them because I don't want to play against them anymore and that's it for CB.

Same old story from you guys. irc kings.

I'm pretty curious, why weren't all maps played in that Westcoast US server that straya have ? I mean, like every match of straya vs euro teams this season. It provide equals conditions for players. And even an advantage for boobs since they have a USA player.

Good question.

^

I think we all know that answers to that question...

We did not choose Abbey. It was selected via the map elimination process. We got to choose out of the last two maps because we had the net round advantage.

We were not trying to play on an Australian server, it was the same American server we had just played in.

Euro Server pings
Grim = ~160
Dan = ~15
Other b00bs = 60- 70
Australians = 300-350

US West pings
Grim = 50 ping
Other b00bs = 150-200 ping
Australians = 200-250

Rather than attempt to legitimately beat us in a neutral server (in which they had still had a small advantage anyway), b00bs clearly were clearly trying to play us in unreasonable conditions.
I personally find their “win-at-any-cost” mantra pathetic and think that this kind of unsportsmanlike behaviour should not be tolerated, especially in the playoff stage of a tournament.

and what about mine ddos on us/california server? had constant 800 ping, nothing about that on kingdom??

We're not responsible for your connection problems. Timeouts were called and only ceased when YOU were ready to play. You had a 5th player available anyway as is evident in your screenshot.

i said ddos = not my problem, someone else is trying to crash my connection, some of your pro friends..

So you continue to accuse us of having you ddos'ed? First of all, I find it plain rude and terrible form on your part, and secondly do you have any evidence to support your accusations? or are they just shots in the dark at our expense?

90% eurocup and you guys cry bout ur 300 ping, cant StrayA get lost to the indian cups or US cups? get ur own island cup or smt instead of bitchin bout pings >_<

way to miss the point

Boobs... Always boobs...

I am at a failing to understand why CB leagues implement a neutral server priority and UZ does not.

It seems to me that a game with such a small community should have a highly integrated and tolerating one; one where issues such as ping are can be put aside, neutral servers played on where an equal disadvantage results in a fair outcome based on team skill. Yes, the ping takes somewhat getting used to (200 is perfectly manageable and every other team we have vs'ed this season has been perfectly happy to play on our neutral cali server) and dont you think its the teams' responsibility knowing of an upcoming match to prepare themselves for the changed playing conditions? YES. Did you see Rafael Nadal, "King of Clay" crying and blame the hard court after his defeat in 2012 at the Australian Open to Djokovic? No.

I would further think that considering this is the top division, it contains many nations cup players; players whom even in the last nations cup would certainly have played on servers with higher pings (every group contained at least one SA/Asia-Pacific team), so its perfectly do-able. The fact that eya is siding with a team who are going well-out-of-their way to "throw the rule book at us" is further fueling this division between the Europeans and the rest of the us.

If you want to start quoting rules, I would suggest actually reading the rules not just interpreting what you want to read.
1. "Servers are considered equal."
2. "If teams are unable to agree on a server to play their match in, they report their conflict to the staff who will assign a league server where the match will be played. Once a league server is assigned, the entire game is played there." This is exactly what Shans was doing. Perhaps if you had showed up the previous 2-3 times this match was scheduled this could have happened.
3. No-where does it say anything about the crap you claim about "you picked the map, we pick the server" and your quote about "that's how it always works in all leagues" is probably true in the context of European competition, however you would think that when it comes to us playing with an average of 350 ping, 7 times your average that this "rule" should not be applicable. I doubt any reputable team in the Urt community will look upon this as a win in b00bs favour.

Furthermore, duhfysa's direct accusation on us DDOS'ing him during the match is perhaps the lowest i've seen this team sink to. Appalling Sportsmanship.

If I were ace, I would feel highly disappointed that I've been cheated out of the chance to vs a decent team. Good luck ace... not that you will need it

did you get a ref for a server? cause I'm fairly sure we instructed every single one to let you play your matches in us servers. we've got a ny server for that purpose, more or less

I do not side with boobs. I wanted this match finished on another day. I was told YOUR team is not able to do that by the EXTENDED deadline

We have our server located in California for one purpose; Equal pings (we ping 300 to NYC). I don't see why we needed a ref for the server, we have used the exact same server for going on 2 years now with no problems what-so-ever. If it is true that you "instructed every single one to let you play your matches in us servers" then I fail to see why we should got the loss when we were clearly just waiting on our US server to play the third map.

And no, we can't play on week days. Half of us have 8-5 jobs or uni/school, so that leaves only week-NIGHTS to play, which is early morning for euros and they cant play for similar reasons.

1/ your extended deadline was sunday.

2/ you lose because you're the ones who can't finish the match.

3/ you didn't finish the match because you started at 11 pm and finished the second map at 1.30 am. not ever going to try and assign blame for that but I wouldn't punish either team for quitting after that much time spent on 2 maps. hence we're down to playing the last map at another time within the deadline you were given. and you can't.

don't find particular pleasure in letting boobs win this way because they've become famous for lawyering their way through matches and I've got low tolerance for that. but the fact is one of you fucked up microscopically less than the other this time. And they get to play the finale.

I'm sorry, i may have misunderstood you, but these guys refused to play on the fair server so.... we forfeit?

Let's not forget that the only reason we're playing this match now is because b00bs, for one reason or another failed to show up the last time we played...

If, as you say, you have a "low tolerance" for letting b00bs "lawyer their way through matches" why are you, the person in authority letting them do PRECISELY that?

1) Our extended deadline was only Sunday because b00bs didn't turn up in the first instance. A fact to which you have previously attested.

2) b00bs tried to lawyer us into playing under unfair conditions. This is screamingly obvious to even the casual observer. We instead offered the same server we have played ALL our UZ and Eurocup matches only to be refused.

3) We were ready and willing to finish the match under fair conditions. b00bs chose to go to bed. Now strayA is being punished for not finishing a match with an opponent who clearly doesn't want to play us.

We are being punished because b00bs once again are acting like children and getting away with it. This is embarassing for everyone involved in your premier division.

So, in fact, if we recap :
B00bs refused to play all maps in a neutral US server, when apparently you instructed them that they had to (according to your first message).
If that match was played in neutral conditions, it would have been finished after two maps (3 rounds difference with a 300 ping disadvantage on Tohunga).
B00bs invent a rule on purpose to gain advantage. That "You have last elimination on third map, so it's on our serv" is bullshit, and we can't even imagine that all b00bs members, who have years of experience and have been in 1st div for 2 years, suddenly forget that the third map is the neutral one.
b00bs refusing to wait a referee. And when the referee arrived, and would have obviously ask them to play the third map on neutral conditions, then they leave. It's on the logs, check by yourself, you have the times of messages to prove my point.
And b00bs get their place to the final. That's insane.

And btw, that "straya can't play until the deadline" is a non-sense as well. Both teams have probably time when they can play, they just don't have those times in common because of timezone. It's none straya or boobs fault.

This whole thing is 'insane' as you say.
You're pretty close, but i'd argue that if one team is ready and waiting to play, and the other team leaves then that team should forfeit.
This whole incident is disgusting.

That "you picked the map so we pick the server" apply only for the first 2 maps in case of no neutral server is used. It ofc does not concern the 3rd map.

Fkin pathetic, way to go boobs!
Why do you keep insisting with ur contribution for the death of urt and the community, what fucking reward do you get?
Enjoy playing in a 2 team league next season, u made it

gg lamers

No truer have ever been spoken...

I'd further like to point out, perhaps the reason the 2 maps took soon long was:
1. They didnt have 5 on our the server for nearly 30 minutes after the agreed time. Then they forced a server change to their euro server which was not agreed on in the first place and against common practice (as clearly discussed above)... we just wanted to end this absolute bullshit that has been carrying on for weeks.
2. The "DDOS" attack which took place during Kingdom. Now, tbh, that was well out of anyone's control however, that took upwards of 10 minutes to resolve.

Those 2 instances alone account for nearly an hour. Again, 1 was out of anyone's control, however, they are to blame for the majority of the time-over-kill. We were actually on our server half an hour before the agreed time with a warm-up match. We were ready to play.

First of all, I do not understand why there have to be gazilion of randoms commenting on every of our match.
Mind your own business and pay more attention to your team and cheaters in them.

@ straYa
Are all of you incapable of accepting the fact that it was YOUR match arranger who messed up the scheduling?
We were supposed to play both matches last week. He wrote in comments of one of them "We wont play this week". It is not my fault that you guys with English as your primary language cannot communicate properly...

We didn't have 5? We actually had 6 people online whole last night.
I was working, but online on ts3.
I remember Jedi told me you guys are playing practice against someone, then waited because you don't have fifth etc. I'm sure they waited at least 30+ minutes for your player.

If you were so eager to play, why did you NOT want to play it for literally over an hour.
2 and a half hours were wasted on just 2 maps.
You expect us to play starting from 23h to 04 or 05 am? You are insane.

And stop crying ffs. I gave you free win in the CB match. If we played it, you know very well we'd get tohunga again, and then battle the second map. You got equal to two map wins now. Be happy with that.

Haven't laughed so hard in a while. Thanks for that.

"I do not understand why there have to be gazilion of randoms commenting on every of our match. Mind your own business and pay more attention to your team and cheaters in them."

Perhaps its because you have fucked over a gazillion other teams with your bullshit and they are keen to see if you get away with it again. Its interesting to note the attention and sympathy we are getting.

"I remember Jedi told me you guys are playing practice against someone, then waited because you don't have fifth etc. I'm sure they waited at least 30+ minutes for your player."

Shall I post the demo that was recorded from that practice match with the time clearly shown at the top? Your guys connected about 5 minutes before the agreed time for a "server check." They saw we were practicing, and left which we were grateful. The scrim was shortened and finished several minutes later after which Shans contacted you guys with a new password. We told you we had 5 waiting to go.

"2 and a half hours were wasted on just 2 maps.
You expect us to play starting from 23h to 04 or 05 am? You are insane."

I think its your math that's insane; apparently 2.5 now equals 6? Furthermore, the reasons for such delays have already been attributed to yourself so its rather a moot point...

"we'd get tohunga again"

Now this I honestly found quite funny as I'm sure everyone who reads it.

I'm done. I've had my rant. Hopefully others will no longer tolerate your shit and let IRC manipulation over-rid clear evidence.

P.S Nice demos by the way or does that rule not apply to b00bs also?

Wow and he's not even talking about the real issue: How to turn a no-show into a forfeit win. I'm glad everyone's here watching this debacle. eya please explain.

And the most funny part is that he truly believe all what he just said, that's not even a troll.

That's the worst part. Everyone knows 'b00bs gonna b00bs,' but we've got people around who are supposed to keep these guys honest. Still no proper explanation.

Dont blame him, hes living in his pink world where everything makes sense but to himself

owlicious

Only one point for a forfeit win on EC as well xeysa? b00bs ruined our shit twice in one day. This tournament needs an appeal process.

LOL

- "fragnetic"

Only one point for a forfeit win on EC as well xeysa? b00bs ruined our shit twice in one day. This tournament needs an appeal process.

Sure thing, might aswell start with posting on the right website.

oh noeez so many mad ppl oh noeeeeeeezzzz

bottom line is 2 teams with a huge timezone difference trying to arrange and play a match can and proved to be difficult, when you want to play were at work, when we want to play your at work :), there will always be issues which will escalate as you can see from all of the above

- "fragnetic"

Wow and he's not even talking about the real issue: How to turn a no-show into a forfeit win. I'm glad everyone's here watching this debacle. eya please explain.

Dude, do you have any brain cells in your head?

How on earth was that noshow?

I'm explaining this for the last time.
We were supposed to play TWO/BOTH matches on same night.
In one of the match fixtures your war arranger wrote that you WONT BE PLAYING THAT WEEKEND.
There was nothing else than to assume than that you wont be playing that weekend.
If he only meant it for CB, he could and should have wrote it like that.
Don't blame us/me for "noshow" for night we're not supposed to play...

Now clearly its you who lack the brain cells

I'm going to explain this very slowly so you can keep up...

A no-show means you didn't show up... Understand? Probably not.

After the second map, your guys LEFT THE SERVER. Abbey was the last map remaining after the ELIMINATION which sasuke has kindly explained the philosophy behind. The RULES AND EYA STATED that our server was to be used. Your guys FAILED TO RETURN TO THE SERVER HENCE THEY DIDNT SHOW-UP WHICH MEANS A NO-SHOW. How is this hard to understand? The logs clearly show that you left IRC the second a ref showed up because YOU KNEW they would force the neutral server and you wouldnt have a chance.

- "Sasuke"

That "you picked the map so we pick the server" apply only for the first 2 maps in case of no neutral server is used. It ofc does not concern the 3rd map.

?

I never heard about some "other/special" rule for third map.
Show it to me please.
Otherwise stfu already...

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I don't even know why I'm still answering you. I still curious if you are trolling every time, or if you really are the idiot you seems to be.

So let try it again, one more time : That simple rule "Your map / Our server and vice versa) is something that doesn't exist in the rules (at least UZ ones). That is something that is logicly adopted by everyteam, and as well it is asked by referes. But this is not a rule, this is just logic and common sense. The best thing is still to find a neutral server for both maps.

But, as you may have noticed because you have already played tons of Bo3 matchs, the third and deciding map isn't a map a team choose, it is a map that is decided by eliminations. Both teams eliminated maps until one map only remain, and that map is played. Nobody picked the map. You can't say "This is your map" because your opponent had the last elimination. I mean, it's just not possible in any human logic that might exist. I mean, from the 5 b00bs who played, you have easily more than 15 years of experience cumulated. Did none of you just tell "Wait guys, that's the third map, it's the neutral one, like it happend about hundreds of times in urt history ?". Of course you didn't. You just invented a rule, interpreted it, force the opponent to agreed your way, then ragequit when the referee arrived ... and gained a win, that's crazy. I blame UZ staff as well as you for that. The sad thing with that is that UZ staff take off the short credibility they can have with decision like that.

But anyway, the more crazy thing ... Jedimind, how can you be so incensere ? I mean, seriously ? Of course timezone give difficulties to schedule, but those problems are not linked to timezone, at all. Every matches straya had this season went perfectly fine, no matter the time it was played, because opponents weren't ass. It was not even sugested to play in an other way than with a neutral server, because the ping difference made any other solution completely stupid. You guys just noticed how bad you are, and the only solution for you to win was to play with a 300 pings advantage, even if eya, according to her message, have asked to play both maps in a USA server, which straya proposed you as well. And even with that, the win was close as hell.

How can you even say that you are nice guys to trade a UZ forfeit to a CB forfeit. You just leaved a cup when you were already eliminated mathematicly (CB one), betting that UZ admins will take the most stupid decision in the 2013 year, and they did, congrats. Now you will play the UZ final without won a single match against an opponent inside the top20 of UrT TS teams. So don't even try to make it look like you deserve it. It just prove that UZ is shit and CB way better, the sad thing is that you had to fuck aussies in the ass to prove it.

Lol.

I like how all of you retards are calling me idiot...

We didn't ragequit. I made decision to not bother with them at 01:30, after MORE THAN 1 HOUR OF CHATTING instead of playing. At that time we should have finished BOTH matches, not only be at 60% of one match...
I just said ppl to go to sleep. If you don't mind playing UNTIL 4 or 5 AM with them, just do it. I'm not stopping you. But I don't want to.

Also, apply simple logic dumbass. If they picked the map, then YES IT IS THEIR MAP!
In all leagues you play "your" map on opponent server.


As I wrote you on CB, there is no 300 ping advantage that you are talking about. You are just proving to be imbecile for saying that.
But since you're noob, I will teach you about this. On the screenshot, the ping was displayed as 300 for all of them because that's what their last player had at that moment.
Also, simple mathematics... us having average 200 and them on average 250 or so is not 300 ping advantage. You teachers failed so hard it's not even funny.

I actually think that usa east coast server should be considered "fair" and is playable for both euros and aussies. But apparently THEY don't think so.

LOL, even better than your last post, keep em coming plz

LOL. Please keep these posts coming... You are so fucking stupid its absolutely hilarious.

I would honestly like to know if you genuinely believe the shit that you are trying to push because honestly you are only digging that hole deeper with every word. Be a man about it and admit you fucked us over and apologise