Going Too Far


No doubt some of you are aware of a number of recent bans resulting from an incident of personal abuse. Abuse is never a good thing, no matter where it is delivered, by whom, and for what reason. There is just no justification for it.

Despite that, I encountered some of you who glorify what the people we banned and failed to ban did. You distribute the offensive material they spread through the community, you give them props for outing someone, simply said - you have fun with it.

And it is about time you had a good look at what exactly it is you are supporting, condoning, or encouraging. What happened here is not "outing" someone who did something wrong. It is an instance of the grossest form of abuse you can commit online because it is aimed at the person's dignity, private life, family life, and community presence.

Some forms of abuse are predominantly committed by groups of young men. Aggression is often a defining characteristic of manhood in the group and is significantly related to the wish to be held in high esteem. The resulting assault is often viewed by the men involved, and sometimes by others too, as legitimate, in that it is seen to discourage or punish perceived immoral behavior among women. For this reason, it may not be equated by the perpetrators with the idea of a crime.

That, my friends, is not something I wrote. That is a quote from an article on rape. Go ahead, read it again. It describes to a T what happened during this incident. A group of your peers abused a woman and used her private behavior as an excuse for their aggression. Do you still think it's funny? They abused their power as a group to do serious damage to someone's reputation, caused the person anguish, threatened to involve the person's family. Are you still proud of supporting them?

"Victim blaming" is holding the victim of a crime to be in whole or in part responsible for the crime. In the context of this type of assault, this concept refers to popular attitudes that certain victim behaviours may encourage this type of assault. In extreme cases, victims are said to have "asked for it", simply by not behaving demurely.

Most of the people I know in this game are decent folk. You would never condone physical violence against a woman. Most of you guys are perfect gentlemen, flirty, sweet, sometimes a little obnoxious. So why on earth do you accept the "she deserved it" excuse when they abuse someone in a community you frequent on a daily basis?

At the end it could all be dismissed as boys being boys, maybe. Like hell it could. I got another quote for you. Again, it is from an article on rape.

Power, control and anger are the primary motives. Gratification comes from gaining power and control and discharging anger. This gratification is only temporary, so the perpetrator seeks another victim.

What happened was not boys being boys. It was vicious, premeditated, and it wasn't an isolated incident. I cannot speak on the motivation for the first wave of abuse since I was only involved in the aftermath. But the truth is this group of people really did not stop with one incident. When the rush of the assault faded, they turned their attention to another female playing this game. This time they went as far as to involve the person's family and friends in their attempt, including a very young child. Their motivation, as they have said, was revenge for involvement in the first incident.

If you think they will stop now, you are wrong. They're experiencing a rush of power at the moment, but that gratification will subside and they will need a new target. If they cannot find a woman playing this game, they will find a guy. Because this is not about gender, just like rape is not about sex. This is about exercising power, about humiliating, debasing, and hurting their victim. They already picked two. They are likely to pick another if you continue to excuse, condone, or support their behavior.

Whatever you take from this depends on you. I cannot persuade you discontinue admiring them any more than I can persuade them to stop. But you would never tolerate something like this in real life. Why on earth do you tolerate it here? We all spend a significant amount of time in this community, playing, hanging out, shooting bull. Why would we be willing to taint the experience by supporting the likes of this conduct?

Note: The intention of this post was in no way to diminish rape. Its sole intention was to point out that excessively abusive online behavior was analogous with this horrible real life crime. I apologize to anyone who may think the analogy inappropriate but I stand behind the comparison as the cyber bullying that occurred in this community was similarly abusive and aggressive.

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Sat May 04, 2013 10:47 pm

I want to thank everyone who didn't take what happened lightly and helped us, expressed support, tried to police the abusers, simply, anyone who behaved like a decent human being.
Sat May 04, 2013 10:49 pm

I think it's sickening the direction the community is going. It's always a few bad apples that ruin it for the rest. This goes way beyond being a troll, a good troll is actually a kind of art form, google "Internet Comment Etiquette" just for laughs.

But this isn't a laughing matter unfortunately, we're such a small community and we let these people make it smaller and smaller. The thing that really irks me is that the victims mostly are women, but especially women who have done a lot for this community. Pester them away and you take the heart and soul out of the community.

You wanna know what the reason is I haven't shoutcasted much since this started? There is your reason.
These people will probably see this as a badge of honour, but hey.

In short, I completely support this blog post, and I would encourage people who support it to say so in a comment.
Sun May 05, 2013 12:04 am

you dont know what trolling is, internet comment etiquette is not
can you tell me any case besides this whole anderson eya_allam thing where woman have been the target of flaming, harassing etc? i cant think of any, but maybe you can help me out. ive never seen yuna or peachy harassed for example because honestly nobody gives a fuck here about your gender except for a few people

and i think the reason you haven shoutcasted much is simply because there is nothing going on. ded gaem gg fs disband
Sun May 05, 2013 11:12 am

Over the 10 years I've played UrT? Ow you bet I can name a couple, and I can name a number of men too. But women are disproportionately targeted. I will not be naming who since it'll just cause them to be targeted as well.

And I certainly know what a troll is, look it up.
In Internet slang, a troll (pron.: /ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is someone who posts inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3] The noun troll may also refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted."

While the word troll and its associated verb trolling are associated with Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has made such labels subjective, with trolling describing intentionally provocative actions and harassment outside of an online context. For example, mass media has used troll to describe "a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families."

As you can see it's associated with harassment by media etc, but that isn't the essence of trolling. I can't believe I'm even trying to explain this, but not everyone has had as long a history on the internet as myself.

[sarcasm]Regarding shoutcasting, indeed there's nothing going on[/sarcasm], aside from the clanbase opencup which is something I normally cover extensively.
Sun May 05, 2013 11:24 am

hieronymuz, you bet there were others. I saw girls quit this game because of the abuse they had to handle from morons. and this is not the first instance of picture trolling either. we had another gentleman in the community who was similarly skilled at getting pictures and he used them against the girls any time he couldn't get his way, just like these guys. so honestly, you're wrong.

and even if there was no history, we'd still be right. these guys targeted us because we are women, for no other reason. when they were done with the first abuse, they didn't go after seven, or gnurkus, or any other male uz admin though their involvement was equal in the matter and they knew that. they don't have the balls to launch a massive attack against a man.

even when a man was targeted after they were done, it was by only one of them, the one that showed some seriously sociopathic behavior before. guess the group wasn't down from the high enough to pursue a man yet

plus, like I said, it's not about gender. they need to feel the power, when they run out of their primary victims, they will switch to guys. and seven is right too, when you consider the number of women in the community, the abuse they have to handle is disproportionate to that handled by men. I personally erased abusive comments from girls' player profiles, had to have talks with men spamming them with rude, disgusting suggestions and use my admin position as leverage to give the girls a little peace, I tried to talk sense - quite unsuccessfully - to assholes spreading the girls' real or even fake pictures around. you think about it, some asshole did it. so please, pipe down
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Sat May 04, 2013 11:41 pm

I've heared about this incident 2 days ago and I've been deeply disappointed about that.
It is simply disgusting to betray someone's trust that way.

Believe me, I've done some shit in my days to woman but that is going way to far to be accepted, not in the Internet nor IRL.

I do not just make some words I did something, I've made sure that the soundfiles I've knew of are removed. Furthermore I'll ban them from my servers gXS bomb and Riyadh Playground (I'll talk to all of the admins I know to do the same), I know the give a fuck about it - but this the part that I can do.

Sat May 04, 2013 11:48 pm

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Sat May 04, 2013 11:51 pm

check your privilege
*Please keep this polite even if you happen to mean well.
Sun May 05, 2013 12:11 am

i didnt really mean it well
Sun May 05, 2013 12:15 am

well, keep it polite
Sun May 05, 2013 12:16 am

"offensive material"
"it is aimed at the person's dignity, private life, family life, and community presence"
"abused a woman and used her private behavior as an excuse for their aggression"
"They abused their power as a group to do serious damage to someone's reputation, caused the person anguish, threatened to involve the person's family"
"This time they went as far as to involve the person's family and friends in their attempt, including a very young child"

private behavior ? family life ? very young child ? dafuq did I just read
Sun May 05, 2013 12:21 am

you just read a text about some people who play this game abusing other people who play this game that was written in a way meant to disclose as few details as possible because I had absolutely no intention of adding to the problems the abusers caused. the point is, you don't need to know the facts - you need to know we have no intention to tolerate personal abuse of serious magnitude
Sun May 05, 2013 12:31 am

Cyberbullying is everywhere. There are also stupid kids in every single game. There's also a command ./ignore. Involving a very young child ? Family's life ? Well, maybe the "victim" wasnt careful enough and didnt realize that she was giving away private information to "gamers". I dont know if you make friends via webchat but it really creeps me out if you do so. I mean, I do like people, I do have fun with them but I will never give away information that could do some damage to my real life. With that being said I agree in punishing the abuse of a naive person.
Sun May 05, 2013 12:34 am

or they simply could have stolen access to a private account. unfortunately, not all assholes are stupid
Sun May 05, 2013 12:42 am

Believe me, they can have stolen acess to all my accounts in every damn website I registered. Nothing would happen. But yeah, I get the point, was nasty
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Sun May 05, 2013 12:18 am

Ah ye well, it´s simply disgusting. But there are still some "guys" behind their screens, powered by anonymity which obviously never experienced anything more exciting. Pity.
Sun May 05, 2013 1:12 am

*please keep this polite
Sun May 05, 2013 2:10 am

was polite? Oo

All pubescent children who are cowed by feminine charms should laser in their frustration on jacking off. I know its a hard time! Being a virgin with no prospect of pussy sucks! Maybe you question your sexual orientation maybe you like dick maybe thats the reason for your queerness. Thats okay! You think its cool to abuse ladies in your commu your wrong. You think other people in the commu think your a hardboiled badass because you chase some girls on the internet? Hell no. The fucking Lance Armstrong has more balls than you. Your just a child whose mother failed to teach good morals. Lots of love (;
Sun May 05, 2013 4:20 pm

It's important that these things are brought up and not hidden, because they do happen, both online and IRL.
And there is no way that a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privilege_(social_inequality)]privileged[/url] person can understand what an unprevileged person experience - very generally speaking. You are privileged when you've never had to think of certain problems or scenarios because basically they are not part of your life experience.
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Sun May 05, 2013 5:43 pm

this discussion is totally not about the gender. you are going the wrong way. obviously, it was kinda sexual, but even if there would be pictures of a male in that situation, the same thing would have happened. i can remember a "benoit führer of germany" picture with my face on it, thats like a perfect example of whats happening in the community right now. maybe it starts with a joke, then it goes over to a picture, then its getting spammed by using the warbot and so on.
the goal for trolls like this is to get as much attention as possible. and because you are making such a big deal out of this, they succeed. that prime was under 18 when anderson send her the pics is just a factor that makes this topic even more redicilious as it already is. so stop talking about calling the police or whatever. that just wont happen, and indeed, will be a lead balloon.
i was involved in both occurrences and i tried to seperate from that as much as possible. shit happens anderson, just try to look up and learn for the future.

for the other situation, i dont know who found these pictures, but if you dont want them to be send around the internet, why would you upload them then. its all in ur hand. everything you upload to the internet, will forever stay on the internet. isnt that the golden rule?
Sun May 05, 2013 5:54 pm

the golden rule of the internet is that you don't own everything you can find. unauthorized distribution of private information, that includes files, is illegal, whether you want to see it or not. plus, hacking into/ hijacking facebook accounts doesn't make obtaining pictures any more legal. so please, at this point, anyone not suffering consequences is lucky.

and don't get me started on stealing pictures of children and family members, do you have an excuse for that too?

benoit, you're very close to joining the lowlifes who did that by defending them. moreover, nothing - and I do mean extremely nothing - can excuse what they did. Private behavior is just that, private behavior. You got no fucking business messing with it or punishing it, not the smallest business. no one made you judge, jury, and execution, as far as I know, and that means one thing. you know about illegal behavior, you report it. you do anything else, you're joining the criminals.

there is no "you were asking for it" in this situation and don't even try to suggest there is. stealing, hijacking, phishing, and any other way those ... I hesitate to use the word people here... used does not make me stupid for posting my pictures in a private setting. it makes them criminals.
Sun May 05, 2013 6:01 pm

stay polite, i just wanted to tell you my opinion. seems like you dont need to know it. thats fine. but then again, why do you open a public report with that topic? to explain it to people who are already involved in the situation?

like i said, i was there when everything happened, but i havnt flamed once. im not defending them, im making a point. im trying to solve the problem, but right now, i just dont see where the problem is. you could have seen this one coming, couldnt you? (the anderson incident)
Sun May 05, 2013 6:08 pm

are you back to she deserved it? don't even try going that way, benoit. just goes to show what kind of person you are, nothing else can be achieved by that
Sun May 05, 2013 6:15 pm

what kind of person i am? this totally says nothing about me, and i will tell you again: you shouldnt blame me for anything right now! the current problem is to find out why people like prime would do something like that, isnt it? im trying to give you the answer.

i wont say anderson deserved something like that. im sure nobody does, but her acting was a big part of the consequence. im pretty sure she wont do that mistake again, and thats something to start with.

you on the other hand, are in a way different situation. you are simply the leader of urban zone. if something bad happens, or somebody is not satisfied with the way uz (and you) act, they blame you for it. im not sure if thats the reason why you are one of the biggest targets for troll attacks lately, but i guess that could be one explaination. do you have any doubt why they would do this to you?
Sun May 05, 2013 6:28 pm

none. they said it was revenge
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Sun May 05, 2013 6:59 pm

Now since you started this nice blog and didnt want to talk in private i guess you wanted to get feedback. Please dont delete this so people can actually see two side of the story. As we know every story has two sides! Let those people know both. Unless you want this to be a kim jung league go ahead and delete it.
Sun May 05, 2013 7:04 pm

all you have proven is that you are an abusive, self-serving asshole. you think us punishing you justifies you stealing anyone's pictures? can you actually hear how sick that sounds or is your sick mind making it all feel alright?

I told you before and I can tell you again. you are a sick excuse for a human being. talk to you in private? we tried, again and again. and again and again it brought no result. you want your fame and glory, you are proud of acting like a sociopath. what is there to discuss?

and you can talk dictators all you want. the fact is I still won't let you abuse anyone. and if you continue using pictures of my family, I will find a way to approach you legally because what you are doing has reached illegal by european standards once you stole personal data.
Sun May 05, 2013 7:07 pm

let people judge not you. Are you a judge? Have you studied law? What did i do? I just expressed my opinion. Cant you handle the truth? I am just letting people know both side of the story. I kept it polite.
Sun May 05, 2013 7:08 pm

I said I won't be allowing further abuse. no names, no rehashing, no insults
Sun May 05, 2013 7:08 pm

You on the other hand act like you have studied psychology, like you are an expert. Please open your mind and stop googling non sense. Also next time give the source. Which is a basic thing to do when you claim things.
Sun May 05, 2013 7:09 pm

it will hurt you none to do research into what you've been doing. you've been trying to pretend you're reasonable and sensible, prove it
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Mon May 06, 2013 4:18 pm

Not gonna try and look smart by quoting applicable law or naming and shaming ppl and mistakes they did, everyone should know that sorta behaviour is just morally wrong.
Ofc sometimes pics of players go round, but I don't go ahead and spam them on IRC. If you wanted me to know who you are and what you look like, you wouldn't be using an alias to play this game.
It's just pathetic and ridiculous that this seems to be a prolonged issue in this community. I've seen pics of ppl spamming that stuff and I can assure you, none of them is a good bet for winning a beauty contest. I don't get why ppl take disputes to a personal level or even risk being banned for it, it's just unnecessary and unwanted. In the end this is just a game and supposed to be all fun.

Cut losses and move on, this became a trite topic.
Tue May 07, 2013 8:46 pm

why delete the comments its more funny to see people are idiots by commenting bollocks
Tue May 07, 2013 10:03 pm

those comments were deleted because they were hurtful or insulting all over
Wed May 08, 2013 3:09 pm

i was just told about this blog, had a little discussion on the topic over at the award news post ...

i have to say i think uz and fs are handeling this assault quite well ...

i was sceptical at first... thinking an auth ban might be too much but since fs terms of services are pretty clear on what you are allowed to do .. i don't really see an issue ...

even if they didn't have this policy i think this range ban was the thing to do ....

you just have to imagine walking in the victim's shoes for a moment ... playing on a public server/ playing a pcw or a league match ... this could easily get you in the position to face the person that attacked and humiliated you publically ... and with all the trash talk going on i don't want to think of what kind of insults you might have to listen to ... furthermore i couldn't see an alternative to this ban ... she would have been the one to suffer even more if he had been allowed to keep on playing the game .. when clearly he was the one litertally commiting the crime...

oh ... one last thing ... the problem doesn't start with people taking intimate pictures and sharing them with others based on the mutual agreement there is something intimate going on ... the trouble starts when someone violates another person's trust making those intimate pictures publically available .. that's where the line is crossed and that's where the legal matter starts... giving a person intimate pictures does not mean you are aksing this person to show those pictures to others .. the one action is not remotely implied in the other... stating anything different is simply a weak attempt of defense

i guess that's it for now ...



i need to add i personally would favour if this ban wasn't permanent.. even if you go away for life you don't go away for life..i think it would be a good idea to make this ban temporary .. say a 1/2 year or a year and then take a look at the situation again ... if there is a change of mind .. if she can forgive him what he did .. i wouldn't kill of any chance for co-existence in-game

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